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Zombie Fish?; Is this even physically possible?!
Topic Started: Aug 24 2011, 12:21 AM (2,532 Views)
Loch Ness
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I'm beginning to believe my house is built on top of the fountain (actually, well) of youth. Long story short, every article I've read about Giant Danios states they live a maximum of five to seven years in an aquarium... However, we've had the same danio since 1998 (no idea how old it was when we got it). Our other fish also have tended to have lifespans on the long edge of what's natural, but the danio is approaching over two times its maximum lifespan!

It certainly looks its age (worn fins, faded colors) but it still bosses the other fish in the aquarium, lol. Maybe it's our proximity to Oak Ridge... :scared:

I will admit that during parts of its life, it has live in water considered cold (we have had no aquarium heater since it broke in 2000, and our house drops into the 50s at night during winter), it has sometimes gone a week or two without food, and it has been fed small insects by children (it apparently loves carpenter's ants). It has the company of a red-tailed shark (4 years), and a couple of other fish that we've had for about a year now.

Are giant danios known for unusual lifespans, or are the articles all just written with incorrect information? Anyone else familiar with the giant danios? Is it just that it has such a slow metabolism due to these things that it isn't aging as fast? Or should I try to measure just how much radioactivity is in this area? :lolD:
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Aubandain
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i dont know much about long lived danios, but something you mentioned does ring a bell...
you said that your fish has sometimes gone two weeks without eating. most people would say this is not healthy, but if you look up the words calorie restriction and lifespan on google, you will find page after page of references to studies that show longer lifespans in rodents and primates that are given less food than what is considered normal.
i know triops grow slower and live longer if you feed them a low protein diet. maybe that is what makes your fish live so long? who knows. then again, maybe its a zombie...
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EAT IT FOR ETERNAL LIFE !!!
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ladyema
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BAHAHA!

I'm going to have to disagree with zombie only on the grounds that to be a zombie by definition you have to die and then come back.

I'd be thinking more like immortal vampire! RAWR! :lolD:
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ladyema
Sep 7 2011, 10:23 PM
BAHAHA!

I'm going to have to disagree with zombie only on the grounds that to be a zombie by definition you have to die and then come back.

I'd be thinking more like immortal vampire! RAWR! :lolD:

let me know how it goes :D :thumbup:
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Okay, my idea.
But vampires are dead too.
"...Whenever you are in doubt, or when the self becomes too much with you, apply the following test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man whom you may have seen, and ask yourself, if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him or her... Then you will find your doubts and your self melt away." --Gandhi

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Have: T. longicaudatus (regular*, Black Beauty*, gonochoric), T. granarius*, T. canciformis (regular, red/albino/Japanese, Bavarian), T. australiensis (regular, green, silver/Queensland), T. newberryi*, T. mauritanicus, clam shrimp, fairy shrimp (red-tailed, spiny-tailed), seed shrimp
(* = successfully hatched and raised to adulthood)
Want: T. canciformis simplex (those blue ones), T. canciformis green type, Lepidurus, giant T. granarius (so-called T. numidicus), beaver-tailed fairy shrimp
For sale: nothing ATM
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ladyema
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Not if you're talking modern day vampires ... LOL! I used to work at a hotel ... They used to hold Vampire Conventions there ... I dreaded those laundry days ...
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LilGreenPuffer
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Okay, my idea.
Ohhh... You mean like these people, right?
http://www.angelfire.com/biz4/vampyreresearch/faq.html
"...Whenever you are in doubt, or when the self becomes too much with you, apply the following test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man whom you may have seen, and ask yourself, if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him or her... Then you will find your doubts and your self melt away." --Gandhi

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Have: T. longicaudatus (regular*, Black Beauty*, gonochoric), T. granarius*, T. canciformis (regular, red/albino/Japanese, Bavarian), T. australiensis (regular, green, silver/Queensland), T. newberryi*, T. mauritanicus, clam shrimp, fairy shrimp (red-tailed, spiny-tailed), seed shrimp
(* = successfully hatched and raised to adulthood)
Want: T. canciformis simplex (those blue ones), T. canciformis green type, Lepidurus, giant T. granarius (so-called T. numidicus), beaver-tailed fairy shrimp
For sale: nothing ATM
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ladyema
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Those would be the ones! I got to the point where I just BEGGED my manager to let me just throw them out in a biohazard bin ...
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LilGreenPuffer
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Okay, my idea.
YUCK.
"...Whenever you are in doubt, or when the self becomes too much with you, apply the following test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man whom you may have seen, and ask yourself, if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him or her... Then you will find your doubts and your self melt away." --Gandhi

Posted Image

Have: T. longicaudatus (regular*, Black Beauty*, gonochoric), T. granarius*, T. canciformis (regular, red/albino/Japanese, Bavarian), T. australiensis (regular, green, silver/Queensland), T. newberryi*, T. mauritanicus, clam shrimp, fairy shrimp (red-tailed, spiny-tailed), seed shrimp
(* = successfully hatched and raised to adulthood)
Want: T. canciformis simplex (those blue ones), T. canciformis green type, Lepidurus, giant T. granarius (so-called T. numidicus), beaver-tailed fairy shrimp
For sale: nothing ATM
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ladyema
Sep 8 2011, 07:22 PM
Those would be the ones! I got to the point where I just BEGGED my manager to let me just throw them out in a biohazard bin ...


If it had blood on then you wouldn't have to touch it, i don't think <_< I just read abit of that vampire page, HAHAHAHAHA :rofl2: Just yet one more set of nutcases beliving in faulse things. I think sites like that should be banned, magic is real but not vampires,.
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Okay, my idea.
I don't think those sites should be banned. If you want to ban sites on the basis of "they're crazy and what they believe isn't real," then sites on the magic that you believe in would have to be banned too.
"...Whenever you are in doubt, or when the self becomes too much with you, apply the following test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man whom you may have seen, and ask yourself, if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him or her... Then you will find your doubts and your self melt away." --Gandhi

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Have: T. longicaudatus (regular*, Black Beauty*, gonochoric), T. granarius*, T. canciformis (regular, red/albino/Japanese, Bavarian), T. australiensis (regular, green, silver/Queensland), T. newberryi*, T. mauritanicus, clam shrimp, fairy shrimp (red-tailed, spiny-tailed), seed shrimp
(* = successfully hatched and raised to adulthood)
Want: T. canciformis simplex (those blue ones), T. canciformis green type, Lepidurus, giant T. granarius (so-called T. numidicus), beaver-tailed fairy shrimp
For sale: nothing ATM
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LilGreenPuffer
Sep 9 2011, 12:16 PM
I don't think those sites should be banned. If you want to ban sites on the basis of "they're crazy and what they believe isn't real," then sites on the magic that you believe in would have to be banned too.

lol there is trick magic online, only some things are in books.
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ladyema
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Yeah ... I dunno about banning them ... I had a friend that was into that sort of thing. And he never even tried to get me into it. Because he knew I'd say absolutely not. He and his other friends that were into it were always really respectful about it.

Disgusting ... perhaps. But as long as they don't run around attacking people and as long as they continue being respectful about it I don't see why not just let them do their thing. And since I don't work in a hotel anymore the inconvenience of rancid bed sheets is no longer my problem. :lol:

Besides. He knows that if he ever calls me to say that he caught some awful blood born disease I'm just going to turn around and tell him "Told ya so ..." when I visit him in the hospital.
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ladyema
Sep 10 2011, 11:06 AM
Yeah ... I dunno about banning them ... I had a friend that was into that sort of thing. And he never even tried to get me into it. Because he knew I'd say absolutely not. He and his other friends that were into it were always really respectful about it.

Disgusting ... perhaps. But as long as they don't run around attacking people and as long as they continue being respectful about it I don't see why not just let them do their thing. And since I don't work in a hotel anymore the inconvenience of rancid bed sheets is no longer my problem. :lol:

Besides. He knows that if he ever calls me to say that he caught some awful blood born disease I'm just going to turn around and tell him "Told ya so ..." when I visit him in the hospital.

My fav meal in the whole world is a rib eye steak and i have it very rare dripping with blood but theres not health risks there, mabie they should eat some steak i always feel better after some beef blood. :D
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ladyema
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LOL! That's not necessarily true ... There's the risk of tapeworm in raw beef ... It's a tiny risk. But still there. ;)
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Okay, my idea.
There are massive health risks associated with eating rare factory-farmed beef. The cows are kept in layers of their own manure, which gets into your meat in two ways - one, by crusting on their hides and coming into contact with your meat when they're slaughtered (no, they're not washed down first), and two, when the cows develop external infections from constant contact with manure, the bacteria from the manure enters their bloodstream. The primary worry is E. coli. Don't believe me? Just read the best-selling book "The Omnivore's Dilemma," by Michael Pollan. I'm reading it for school right now.
"...Whenever you are in doubt, or when the self becomes too much with you, apply the following test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man whom you may have seen, and ask yourself, if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him or her... Then you will find your doubts and your self melt away." --Gandhi

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Have: T. longicaudatus (regular*, Black Beauty*, gonochoric), T. granarius*, T. canciformis (regular, red/albino/Japanese, Bavarian), T. australiensis (regular, green, silver/Queensland), T. newberryi*, T. mauritanicus, clam shrimp, fairy shrimp (red-tailed, spiny-tailed), seed shrimp
(* = successfully hatched and raised to adulthood)
Want: T. canciformis simplex (those blue ones), T. canciformis green type, Lepidurus, giant T. granarius (so-called T. numidicus), beaver-tailed fairy shrimp
For sale: nothing ATM
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ladyema
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Oh gosh. E.coli is nasty business ...
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LilGreenPuffer
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Okay, my idea.
In summary... If you want to eat rare meat, get it from a nice little local farm that treats its animals decently and doesn't leave them to wallow in their own manure. Which you should do anyway. :)
"...Whenever you are in doubt, or when the self becomes too much with you, apply the following test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man whom you may have seen, and ask yourself, if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him or her... Then you will find your doubts and your self melt away." --Gandhi

Posted Image

Have: T. longicaudatus (regular*, Black Beauty*, gonochoric), T. granarius*, T. canciformis (regular, red/albino/Japanese, Bavarian), T. australiensis (regular, green, silver/Queensland), T. newberryi*, T. mauritanicus, clam shrimp, fairy shrimp (red-tailed, spiny-tailed), seed shrimp
(* = successfully hatched and raised to adulthood)
Want: T. canciformis simplex (those blue ones), T. canciformis green type, Lepidurus, giant T. granarius (so-called T. numidicus), beaver-tailed fairy shrimp
For sale: nothing ATM
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Aubandain
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LilGreenPuffer
Sep 10 2011, 10:36 PM
In summary... If you want to eat rare meat, get it from a nice little local farm that treats its animals decently and doesn't leave them to wallow in their own manure. Which you should do anyway. :)

free range beef is best. no slick barns to sit in, which means no laying in manure all day every day. its more expensive, but you get what you pay for.

i used to work on a dairy farm where the cows lived in incredibly cramped conditions, always walking around in and lying in their own manure. if a cow became sick and couldn't get up, she became dog food. if the cow could stand under its own power and was not on antibiotics, it was usually deemed fit for human consumption. most of the cows in that category ended up in a big mac. like i said, you get what you pay for.

on a side not, you can build an immunity to e. coli. on the farm, we called it the milkers flu, which all new employees would get within the first week. sometimes, when we got new cows, we would get sick again, but we would usually recover within 24 hours.
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LilGreenPuffer
Sep 10 2011, 07:58 PM
There are massive health risks associated with eating rare factory-farmed beef. The cows are kept in layers of their own manure, which gets into your meat in two ways - one, by crusting on their hides and coming into contact with your meat when they're slaughtered (no, they're not washed down first), and two, when the cows develop external infections from constant contact with manure, the bacteria from the manure enters their bloodstream. The primary worry is E. coli. Don't believe me? Just read the best-selling book "The Omnivore's Dilemma," by Michael Pollan. I'm reading it for school right now.

There is no massive risk at all. The standards or animal care has greatly improved the last few years, after the chicken program which highlighted the conditions chickens lived in. They woulden't sell anything that could harm anybody or get sued. The propper way to eat most steaks there is, is rare. I buy mine from the local butchers because you just can't get a propper steak in supermarkets anyway. I have ate the supermarket steaks before like millions and never have become ill.
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LilGreenPuffer
Sep 10 2011, 10:36 PM
In summary... If you want to eat rare meat, get it from a nice little local farm that treats its animals decently and doesn't leave them to wallow in their own manure. Which you should do anyway. :)

I just read abit more and your right, but like i said it's not a massive risk and very rare in our supermarkets. Still the conditions they live in isn't that good even still, the chickens hasent even changed really. I thought after this program a big chef did it all changed alot. Reality is everyone who buys any supermarket chicken or pork, beef is in part helping animal cruelty, then you have to think what other options do people have with very low money.
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Okay, my idea.
People without much money can eat less meat. The way that first-world societies eat meat is unhealthy and unsustainable. No one should really be eating meat three meals a day, like so many people do. I only eat meat a couple of times a week, and when I do, I only eat meat that came from animals that were treated decently.

Factory-farmed meat has more than just that health risk, which is why I say the risk is massive. Beef that's fed on corn instead of grass is infinitely more likely to give you heart disease and so on; it's much much much higher in saturated fat and cholesterol.

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They woulden't sell anything that could harm anybody or get sued.

I don't know about England, but America has E.coli breakouts all the time.
"...Whenever you are in doubt, or when the self becomes too much with you, apply the following test. Recall the face of the poorest and the weakest man whom you may have seen, and ask yourself, if the step you contemplate is going to be of any use to him or her... Then you will find your doubts and your self melt away." --Gandhi

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Have: T. longicaudatus (regular*, Black Beauty*, gonochoric), T. granarius*, T. canciformis (regular, red/albino/Japanese, Bavarian), T. australiensis (regular, green, silver/Queensland), T. newberryi*, T. mauritanicus, clam shrimp, fairy shrimp (red-tailed, spiny-tailed), seed shrimp
(* = successfully hatched and raised to adulthood)
Want: T. canciformis simplex (those blue ones), T. canciformis green type, Lepidurus, giant T. granarius (so-called T. numidicus), beaver-tailed fairy shrimp
For sale: nothing ATM
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