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Blue triops, possibly real?
Topic Started: Feb 13 2011, 01:40 AM (5,466 Views)
Sinocard
Romantic triops
Now I'm sure we've all seen the picture of the "cancriformis simplex" on that one german shop website... But other than that, I've never seen any other pictures of them. Til now.

http://www.biolib.cz/cz/taxon/id32609/

Think they're real?
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Ducky
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yes i believe they are real, i believe it was Myths that has raised these. said it worked best when rehydrated. my 4 little eggs are on their 3rd hydration...crossing fingers...

thanks for the link. look at all those different cancriformis :) i want them all :)
Do you have Triops that are different than those shown? Please show me!

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triops master
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Triops Cancriformis
WE all want them all ^_^
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Carnifex
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1 Longicaudatus
I believe theyre real too, just not very common in the trade

i bet theres people who say they have simplex, but really dont

and then theres people who do have simplex, but just dont sell them
Raising Triops. Sometimes the questions are hard and the answers are simple.
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triops master
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Carnifex
Feb 12 2011, 10:09 PM
I believe theyre real too, just not very common in the trade

i bet theres people who say they have simplex, but really dont

and then theres people who do have simplex, but just dont sell them

+1--I wish I had them.... got some "eggs" from a seller a while back. Nothing hatched.
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Huub
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Queensland, Red fire, Cancriformis . >>Digging for eggs&l
Nice find Sinocard.

They are real? From a scientific 2007 paper:
(Titel: Recent evolution of alternative reproductive modes in the 'living
fossil' Triops cancriformis)
The currently recognized subspecies T. c. simplex (N Africa and
NE Iberian Peninsula) and T. c. mauritanicus (NW Morocco and SW Iberian Peninsula)
are considered to be bisexual, with equal or male biased sex ratios.


Another article:
Information according to the geographic distribution of T. c. simplex differs
between authors. Longhurst (1955) reported this subspecies only from northern
Africa, from Ceuta to Egypt. Brtek & Thiery (1995) indicated the occurrences of T.
c. simplex for Spain and northern Africa (Algeria). Thiery (1996) reported also
occurrences from Arabian Peninsula, where it was found at a single locality in
Yemen.


Hmm why several wet/dry/cycles...?
30% will grow like this one?
According to the Christian guy medium difficulty to breed?

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Would be nice to have them.
Set the blues apart and see if only blues hatch out of them.
And vice versa with the others....
[edit] Found on a german forum, all are brown, very incidental a blue one comes along.
The blues were set apart and indeed brown offspring with a blue one again very rare.[/edit]


After some surfing:
They seem to exist.
Pictures are rare.
Are harder to breed.
Hatching is more difficult(22 C).
Lots seem to die soon.
They are a bit smaller, lower shield, colors dark-brown to black even.
Some are blueish and rather rare (10-20% other source says 30%?).
You tube:
- Simplex alone (brown)
- Triops Longicaudatus und Triops Cancriformis simplex

Notice on the last the cancriformis jump over the bottom like fleas? :wub:
~ Huub ~ Posted Image
1st tanklog: Longicaudatus / 2nd log: Australiensis Queensland (Silver) / 3rd log: Red Fire Kabuto Cancriformis / 4th tanklog: Newberryi + Kabuto Albino
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v369
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absolutly not
great pic and link.
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Huub
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Queensland, Red fire, Cancriformis . >>Digging for eggs&l
Ducky
Feb 13 2011, 02:58 AM
yes i believe they are real, i believe it was Myths that has raised these. said it worked best when rehydrated. my 4 little eggs are on their 3rd hydration...crossing fingers...

thanks for the link. look at all those different cancriformis :) i want them all :)

Try this for better hatching:
Put the sand/eggs on a plate with water in the fridge (no freezer) for 2 to 3 hours.
Get them out of the fridge and put them in water of 30-40 C.
Let it cool off to the hatching temp.
Then place them in the hatching tank.

This works for all egg types and seems to "activate" the eggs into hatching mode.

For the simplex it seems they only live now in warmer areas?
Spain and Yemen so I would try hatching/keeping them in 24-26 C?
On the german forum they keep room temp. They consider 23C even a bit too high. AND some say simplex are easy to keep?
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1st tanklog: Longicaudatus / 2nd log: Australiensis Queensland (Silver) / 3rd log: Red Fire Kabuto Cancriformis / 4th tanklog: Newberryi + Kabuto Albino
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/ My You-Tube channel with triops vids
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triops master
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Huub
Feb 13 2011, 03:42 AM
Nice find Sinocard.

They are real? From a scientific 2007 paper:
(Titel: Recent evolution of alternative reproductive modes in the 'living
fossil' Triops cancriformis)
The currently recognized subspecies T. c. simplex (N Africa and
NE Iberian Peninsula) and T. c. mauritanicus (NW Morocco and SW Iberian Peninsula)
are considered to be bisexual, with equal or male biased sex ratios.


Another article:
Information according to the geographic distribution of T. c. simplex differs
between authors. Longhurst (1955) reported this subspecies only from northern
Africa, from Ceuta to Egypt. Brtek & Thiery (1995) indicated the occurrences of T.
c. simplex for Spain and northern Africa (Algeria). Thiery (1996) reported also
occurrences from Arabian Peninsula, where it was found at a single locality in
Yemen.


Hmm why several wet/dry/cycles...?
30% will grow like this one?
According to the Christian guy medium difficulty to breed?

Posted Image

Would be nice to have them.
Set the blues apart and see if only blues hatch out of them.
And vice versa with the others....
[edit] Found on a german forum, all are brown, very incidental a blue one comes along.
The blues were set apart and indeed brown offspring with a blue one agian very rare.[/edit]


After some surfing:
They seem to exist.
Pictures are rare.
Are harder to breed.
Hatching is more difficult(22 C).
Lots seem to die soon.
They are a bit smaller, lower shield, colors dark-brown to black even.
Some are blueish and rather rare (10-20% other source says 30%?).
You tube:
- Simplex alone (brown)
- Triops Longicaudatus und Triops Cancriformis simplex

Notice on the last the cancriformish jumps over the bottom like fleas? :wub:

That's so awesome!
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Ducky
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Thanks for the links & advice, if nothing happens this week, i'll try the dry/freeze/warm idea. geographical info is great too!

my 4 eggs still look ok...but nothing hatched yet
Do you have Triops that are different than those shown? Please show me!

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Carnifex
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I believe theyre real, Ive seen that pic before too :D

I also believe that theyre diffucult to hatch and maintain..

who knows, maybe after a few generations if someone gets these to hatch and reach adulthood, theyll be easier to manage
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Huub
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Queensland, Red fire, Cancriformis . >>Digging for eggs&l
I will chase after this one when the occiasion is there. Np. :D

@Mods: move this topic to the exotic species section?

@ Carnifex: as posted some gemans seem to have no trouble at all with these ones. Confusing. I will get on their forum if I can raise them in my new home and try and get eggs.
~ Huub ~ Posted Image
1st tanklog: Longicaudatus / 2nd log: Australiensis Queensland (Silver) / 3rd log: Red Fire Kabuto Cancriformis / 4th tanklog: Newberryi + Kabuto Albino
Water-adjustments for Triops
/ My You-Tube channel with triops vids
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triops master
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Huub
Feb 13 2011, 01:08 PM
I will chase after this one when the occiasion is there. Np. :D

@Mods: move this topic to the exotic species section?

@ Carnifex: as posted some gemans seem to have no trouble at all with these ones. Confusing. I will get on their forum if I can raise them in my new home and try and get eggs.

hahaha good advice (and nice avatar)
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TCans
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T cancriformis
100% real.
You will trust him because you think you are him.

If You Change The Rules On What Controls You,
You Will Change The Rules On What You Can Control.
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BigFoxKi
Egg
I maybe very naive to everyone, but what is rehydrated?
Does it mean water and dry for more than one time before the eggs hatch?
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zaky9
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Triops Australiensis
Dehydrated is drying water out, rehydrated is putting the eggs back in the water so they fill with water :thumbup:
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BigFoxKi
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Thank you=D
My T.canc eggs are in the Dehydrated process!
And I hope the experiment will work!

If the experiment upset anyone, i apologize :(
At the day after my T.canc's death, I want to take care of their bodies and I found they still caring many eggs. Yes, fill of eggs.

So...I cut of their eggs carriers and get them.

I know how this sound, I look like a evil animal abuser...
But I just didn't want the eggs bury with their mother, they deserve a chance to hatch and live...

If I can hatch them, I will try to take a photo of them and post it here.

Sorry, again if this action upset anyone and my bad english grammar m(_ _)m
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